Advisory Neighborhood
Commission 6B
Minutes of Regular
ANC Meeting
April 12, 2005
Commissioners Present:
Commissioners Absent:
Chairperson
There was a quorum for
conducting business.
Adoption of Agenda
Commissioner Jarboe stated
that he wanted to add under Planning and Zoning. The Department of Transportation has come out
with new procedures for Public Space Permit Review.
Commissioner Olson wants to
add under Planning and Zoning the issue of new parking and ticketing rules for
discussion.
There were no objections to
adopting the agenda as amended. Hearing
no objections the agenda was adopted as amended.
Community Speakout
A gentleman from the
community rose and stated that a business on
Commissioner Cernich
suggested that he might speak with the Capitol Hill Association of Merchants
and he might also speak with Bill McCloud at
A gentleman from Watkins
Recreation Center stood and stated that he has been volunteering for the past
two to three years with the center to help kids get involved in activities to
keep them off the street and he is looking to find funds for registration,
uniforms, and other things and wanted to know if there was any way the ANC
could help. He stated that he had
brought some flyers that he would like to distribute.
Commissioner Cernich invited
him to do so and to provide the Commissioners with copies, which he did.
Commissioner Jarboe asked the
gentleman is he was aware of the Capitol Hill Community Foundation, which he
was not aware of. Commissioner Jarboe
told him that this organization does make grants and asked him to meet with him
after the meeting and he would give him the details on how to contact them.
Commissioner Thomas also
stated that she too have been seeking funds for similar type of youth programs
and that she will also be meeting with Commissioner Jarboe to get the
information on potential funding sources.
Community and Commission Announcements
Commissioner Glick announced
that this coming Saturday from 9:00 a.m. until 12 noon they are having a
Community Cleanup at Parking Lot 8 at the DC General Hospital to cleanup around
the Anacostia Waterfront and he invite all to come and join them. Gloves and need materials will be provided.
Commissioner Campbell stated
that Ms. Noble of Ward 7, whose daughter was killed a number of years ago, that
there will be an airing on FOX News’ Cold Case Files on April 16th. He stated he has one copy of the flyer
pertaining to the program and he will make copies for everyone interested and
he will post it on the Internet. Mr.
Noble would like for anyone having any information regarding this issue to
please contact their agency.
Also on April 14th
there will be a Parkfield renovation meeting, which is a new school building
that is going to be at the
There were no community
announcements.
Presentations
DC Water and Sewer
Authority – Lead Services Project – Karen DeWitt, Director of Public Affairs.
The Commission was informed
the Ms. DeWitt was no longer with the DCWSA.
Ms. Dianne Saunders was replacing her as the presenter and she is with
the Construction Management Group.
Neil Cavanol, Program Manager
for CM4C Construction Project for DCWASA was the speaker.
They have been working with
DCWASA for Lead Services Project for the last year and they are working on FY2005
contracts now. They have replaced over
1700 lead services. In FY2005 they have
scheduled 2700 replacements, at present they are at 1700 completed.
He discussion was regarding
the Lead Services Replacement in the various neighborhoods and what could be
expected. The construction process is
broken down into various steps:
They are in the process of
going out to bid this summer for the first part of the trail, which will go
from the Naval Yard and
Planning and Zoning Committee
Committee Chair, Commissioner
Campbell presented the Committee’s report as followed:
1) HPRB Case
#05-193:
Presenting: Mr. Sassan Gharai Managing Director of S.G.A.
Architects. Inc.
Applicant proposes to build a
5 story apartment building at 1022 Pennsylvania Ave S.E. Site is presently a
operating shell gas station, to be demolished at some time in the future and
replace by a 22 – 24 unit apartment building with 20 parking spaces, 5 on grade
and 16 underground spaces accessed by a ramp located in the rear of the project
in the alley. Units will be approximately 1000 –1100 sq. ft. The lot is zoned
C2A with a possibility of ground floor units be converted to commercial use in
the future. At present there are no restrictions on the use for commercial
and/or residential use.
Unlike previous submissions
the building will now be red brick with one entrance on
With these problems and
concerns addressed and no other questions or concerns from audience or
commissioners the committee recommends the ANC support this application.
There was no additional
discussion or new information regarding the application. Chair Cernich stated that this matter comes
before the Commission as a recommendation by the Committee it requires no
second and moved to a vote. The vote was
9 to 0 (unanimous).
2) BZA # 17313;
Application of Edward Ertel
& Jennifer Squires for lot variance
Dennis Conners representing
Edward Ertel
There is no alley access and
the neighboring house to the west has no windows. The addition will not
adversely affect light, air or privacy of the adjourning neighbors.
Applicant has submitted, with
the application, numerous letters of support from affected neighbors, twelve
(12) total. As there is no objection to the proposed addition from affected
neighbors or other related issues the Planning & Zoning Committee
recommends this application to the full ANC for support.
Commissioner Jarboe stated
that he would vote in favor of the application, but he wanted to raise a
concern because the Commission would be doing something that is a little
unusual, the Commission is basically allowing a something to have 100 percent
lot occupancy, which is well outside normal variances. He did not like the idea of setting a precedence,
but he will support the application because first, it is a corner unit and a
lot of corner lots in the area rap around already, which means they occupy 100%
of the lot, and second it is a small lot and he had been told that if it was a
regular size lot they would be well within the normal lot occupancy ratio. Therefore, since it is a small lot it fits
the variancy test. He also pointed out
that no one was being negatively affected by this construction. He also stated that he felt the applicant may
have a hard time with BZA, but that is their battle.
Commissioner Campbell stated
that in the original plans there were plans for underground parking, no plans
or mention of this parking area were submitted or discussed with the Committee
and as such, no support or consideration should be construed from the omission
of said parking area. Commissioner
Jarboe added that it was his understanding that the parking area was no longer
a part of the plan, which Commissioner Campbell agreed that that was his understanding. Commissioner Campbell asked the application
if plans that include the underground parking were what will be submitted to
BZA, and the response was that the parking area was not a part of the BZA
application. He further stated that
Historic Preservation and DDOT would handle parking area separately. Commissioner Campbell asked Mr. Conners if he
was aware of the fact that he will be required to come back before the
Commission to discuss the parking area.
He responded that he did.
Commissioner Jarboe seeking
to make sure everyone understood what would be submitted to BZA, asked if the
plans he is submitting to BZA at this stage does include the curbcut. Mr. Conners’s response was yes.
Commissioner Campbell
informed Mr. Conners that the only thing the Commission was supporting, at this
time, is the use of the land for lot occupancy and there is no support nor has
there been any discussion at this point regarding the underground parking area,
which Mr. Conners acknowledged.
Commissioner Jarboe stated
for the record that BZA will not decide on this because this is a HPRB issue,
he was disturbed that they were going ahead with the underground parking,
because during both the informal and P&Z Committee meetings that this ANC
would strongly oppose any new curbcut.
He further stated that had they come before the Commission with this as
part of the BZA they would not have supported it.
Mr. Conners responded that
they would have much rather preferred to put everything before every committee,
starting with HPRB and gone through the whole process, but the HPRB staff
recommendation was to go ahead and seek the area issue first and then seek the
overall project approval. He stated that
the area (lot occupancy) was not contingent upon the underground parking
issue.
Commissioner Olson asked if
this action meant that they would have to come back before the Commission
because of the HPRB case, and Commissioner Jarboe’s responded with a yes.
Commissioner Campbell asked
if he meant just the underground parking and Commissioner Jarboe stated that it
would be for the entire design project.
Commissioner Thomas asked why
the entire design project was not presented to the P&Z Committee. Mr. Conners stated that it was their
intention originally to include everything in their request, but BZA told them
that it was not a variance issue, so it was submitted separately. He further stated that HPRB did not reject it
in the first place was because this site had formally an existing curbcut and
it would be potentially a relocation of a curbcut.
The Chair stated that this
comes before the Commission as a recommendation from the Committee thus
requiring no second. The Chair restated
that they were voting to no objections to the variance, but at this time was
not dealing with the underground parking issue.
A vote as taken and the vote was 8-0-1, with Commissioner Jarboe
abstaining.
3) PS # 11403:
JPI, Jenkins Row Project – Lay-by and Driveways
John Beggert representing JPI
Applicant is submitting an
application for 1 new Lay-by and 2 Driveways at
The committee recommends the
full ANC approve the application with the provision that a study of the traffic
patterns along
Commissioner Campbell asked
if any one representing JPI was present and if they had any additional
information to provide the Commission.
John Beggert rose and stated
that he wanted to add some clarification.
There is a new curbcut on
Commissioner Jarboe asked
just for the record, if this was outside the Historic District and the response
was that he was correct.
Commissioner Campbell asked
Mr. Beggert if he felt there would be any problem getting the traffic study
done. Mr. Beggert responded by saying
that he had no problem requesting it from DDOT and they have had good
conversations with DDOT before and don’t see a problem, but the ultimate
decision rests with DDOT. He stated that
they understand that traffic will be a challenge on
The Chair asked if the
Committee’s report recommended that JPI or DDOT conduct the traffic study. Commissioner Campbell stated that it was for
JPI to make a formal request to DDOT to perform the traffic study.
Mr. Beggert asked that the
ANC assist him in making the request of DDOT for the traffic study, and the
Chair stated that the ANC would do so.
The Chair stated that this
comes before the Commission as a recommendation from the Committee thus
requiring no second. The Chair stated
that they were voting to adopt the Committee’s recommendation to approve the
application with a provision that JPI request that DDOT perform a traffic study
along
4) PS #
St Coletta – New driveway
Stephen C.Karcha Senior Associate of Advance Project
Management, Inc., Representing St. Coletta.
Applicant submits an
application for a new driveway at
Along with the submission was
a copy of a letter from Ward 6 Councilmember-Sharon Ambrose, presented by Mr.
Frank Zampatori, addressing boundary lines and construction issues. With these
concerns in mind and questions regarding the construction of the 19th
Street driveway/parking pad in question, the committee recommends that ANC 6B
approve the Independence Ave driveway.
Additionally, the Committee recommends that ANC 6B withhold approval of
the 19th Street curbcut until the driveway apron is angled northward
so as to prevent buses from crossing 19th Street onto Burke Street.
Commissioner Campbell asked
if Mr. Karcha was present and if he had any additional information.
Mr. Karcha was present and he
wanted to submit some additional information.
He stated that the issues that were raised at the last meeting dealing
with the fence, locked gate and the sign have all been addressed. He then stated that they have requested that
the driveway apron be angled so that it directs traffic to make that right-hand
turn. He stated they scheduled a meeting
with Karen Pollock at DDOT and they did approve the modification to their
drawing, and he provided the Commissioners with a copy for their review, which
he reviewed with them.
Commissioner Russell asked
which line had actually been moved, as she was under the impression that they
were talking about moving the north line.
Commissioner Campbell and Mr. Karcha showed Commissioner Russell exactly
what actions were taken in modifying the drawings. Mr. Karcha further stated that there is a
6-foot radius, as a minimum, that Karen Pollock would allow.
Commissioner Jarboe asked Mr.
Karcha if he knew what the length of the buses were that would be used. Mr. Karcha responded that he thought they
will be the standard size of 13 to 15 passenger size.
Commissioner Glick stated St.
Coletta has lied to the Commission on several occasions and he is afraid that
if the Commission supports this that they will go out and say publicly that ANC
6B is supporting St. Coletta, therefore he will be voting against the
Committee’s recommendation and he encouraged the other Commissioners to do the
same.
Mr. Karcha responded by
stating the he has not been before the ANC representing St. Coletta’s
application and cannot speak to the past activities. The only thing he can address is what is
before the Commission now. He reiterated
what he had stated at last Tuesday’s meeting and that his position was to
obtain permit approvals and oversee construction of the project and make sure
it is done properly and not affecting the neighbors. He further stated that he had three (3)
concerns that were voiced at the last meeting and he give his word that they
would be addressed and they were addressed this week.
Commissioner Glick commented
that the comments were fine, but that’s a verbal agreement and it would not
hold water in a court of law.
Mr. Karcha stated that he had
met with the people at DDOT yesterday (Monday) and reviewed the sketches for
the new apron that will be sent to Public Space for approval. He also suggested that the ANC, when
submitting its letter to DDOT, could include a copy of the proposed revision to
ensure that everything is the same.
Commissioner Jarboe stated
that he wanted to know is this modification would satisfy the requirements that
would prevent buses from crossing over to
Commissioner Campbell joined
in by adding that this was a verbal agreement/endorsement and that ANC should
not support it until it is formalized in writing and confirming that this angle
would not be changed at any point in the future. This is simply what the Committee
recommended.
Commissioner Jarboe also
asked Mr. Karcha if was confident that the new angle would prevent buses from
crossing onto
Mr. Karcha responded that
this was the minimum that Karen Pollock would accept.
Commissioner Jarboe stated
that he was willing to support the Committee’s recommendation as written and
that the Commission would send the new drawings to Public Space.
Commissioner Campbell reiterated that the
Commission would support one curbcut but not the new curbcut on 19th
Street, until the new plan is sent in to Public Space outlining the agreed to
changes.
The Chair confirmed that once
the new plans are submitted to DDOT in writing, St. Coletta would not have to
come back to the Commission for approval.
Mr. Karcha asked if the
commission’s letter could be modified to show that his plan reflect the sketch
so that there is no confusion.
Commissioner Jarboe responded
the Mr. Karcha that the Commission could send in the sketch along with its
official letter.
The Chair stated that this
matter was coming before the ANC as a recommendation by the Committee not
requiring a second. The Chair stated
that they were voting to adopt the Committee’s recommendation that the ANC
support the application for the
Mr. Karcha informed the
Commissioners that if there are any issues in the future to please contact him.
5) PS# 11664
Placement of Piggybanks for Education
Nancy Golosman representing Capitol One Financial
Ms. Nancy Golosman presented
the “Piggybank” program to the committee, which explained that 15 fiberglass
piggybanks, similar to the Panda & Party animal structures, seen in the past,
will be stationed throughout the city with one outside of the Folger
Shakespeare Library & one outside of the Cosi coffee house located at 301
Penn. Ave SE. Students from area middle schools will decorate them. An
additional program, running in conjunction with the Piggybank program, is Stash
Your Cash, which will teach middle school students basic money management
skills. Also a $5,000 donation will be awarded to each school which
participates in the program.
Capitol One is seeking the
support of the ANC to display the piggybanks in these two locations in 6B to
help educated youth in the importance of financial planning.
The committee recommends that
the full ANC support the applicant with one suggestion, that Capitol One
consider changing the location of the Folger Library statue to the
Ms. Golosman rose and stated
that they had taken the ANC’s recommendation and have made plans to put the
second piggybank at the Metro stop. They
have since submitted their revised plans to DDOT and provide the Commissioners
with the Metro location plan for review.
Commissioner Jarboe offered a
friendly amendment to the Committee Report to support the new location change.
Commissioner Glick seconded
the motion.
The Chair asked all in favor
of amending the Committee Report to raise their hands and the vote was 8-0-1,
with Commissioner Thomas abstaining.
The Chair stated the
Committee Report was coming before the Commission, therefore not requiring a
second. All in favor of adopting the
Committee Report as amended were asked to raise their hands and the vote was
8-0-1, with Commissioner Thomas abstaining.
6) PS # 11665:
Sonja Sweek, Owner
Applicant is Sonja Sweek who
is applying for a permit to occupy Public space for the erection of a Gazebo at
The property is located
outside of the historic district of Capitol Hill and as such there are no objections
by HPRB. The structure will be approximately 12 ft. tall and 8 x 8 ft. wide. As
the owner will be rehabbing the building and façade in addition to planting 2
trees and has formed an LLC, “The Gazebo” the structure is in keeping with the
theme.
As there are no objections
from HPRB or BZA the committee recommend the support of the full ANC for this
project.
Commissioner Cernich asked
the applicant why the project is an LLC.
Ms. Sweek responded that the
project is an apartment building that she owns, thus the Corporation.
The Chair stated that the
Committee recommendation comes before the full ANC in the form of a motion not
requiring a second. Therefore, all in favor of the supporting the
recommendation were asked to raise their hands and the vote was unanimous
(9-0-0).
PS # 11667:
Tandoor & Grill – sidewalk café
Amir Ehsam, owner
Applicant Mr. Amir Ehsam is
applying for a public space permit for a sidewalk café outside of the Capitol
Hill Tandoor and grill, located at
As there are no objections
from the committee members the application is submitted to the full ANC with a
recommendation of support by the committee.
The Chair stated that the
Committee recommendation comes before the full ANC in the form of a motion not
requiring a second. Therefore, all in favor of the supporting the
recommendation were asked to raise their hands and the vote was unanimous
(9-0-0).
Public Space Review Process:
Commissioner Jarboe stated
that on April 1st DDOT sent out a press release that he did not see
until a couple of days ago, at which time he saw an e-mail in which DDOT is
proposing to change the Public Space Permit Process. The proposed changes would make the process
very similar to the HPRB process where the staff will be able to signoff on a
lot of the issues. Using this process a
lot of the issues the Commission has dealt with would no longer be necessary. The question however is they wanted comments
back by today and there is some questions in some other ANCs as to how this may
effect the ANCs, and whether the ANCs will receive notices, and what the appeal
process will be, can ANCs step-in where there is controversial public space
application or whether or not the ANCs would even know if there was a
controversial public space application being considered prior to actual action
being taken.
He further stated that it is
not clear exactly how DDOT will proceed with this as a rule making. It is conceivable that the Mayor could sign
an Executive Order because it changes the internal structural process or they
could send it out for 30-day comment on the DC Public Register. He is of the opinion that the ANC should at
least take a look at this issue and talk with the people at the Public Space
Committee and find out what this will do to the ANC’s workload, how ANC would fit
into this process such as do they provide the Commission with advance notices
and the other issues previously mentioned.
Commissioner Jarboe
recommended that the information be published in the DC Public Register and go
through the regular 30 day review process rather then just have the Mayor
signoff on an Executive Order, therefore he proposed that the ANC send a letter
to Dan Tangerlini at DDOT strongly urging them to make this a formal rule
making process thereby giving ANCs at least 30 days to get comments back on the
proposal.
Commissioner Cernich seconded
Commissioner Jarboe’s motion. There were
no additional questions regarding the motion.
The Chair asked all in favor
of supporting Commissioner Jarboe’s motion to request notice and comment on the
rule making on the proposed Public Space Regulations to please raise their
hands. The vote was unanimous (9 to 0).
Transportation – New Parking and Ticketing Rules:
Commissioner Olson stated she
had spoken with a neighbor on 5th Street and stated that he had been
told by Parking Enforcement people that they are not allowed by their office to
ticket Maryland and Virginia tagged cars that are parked within two (2) block
of a metro station. So basically,
The Chair stated that the
first action the Commission should take is to write a letter to Dan Tangerlini
asking for a clarification, explaining what the Commission had heard and asking
for further information.
Commissioner Glick
recommended that the letter also be sent to the Department of Public Works who
handles parking enforcement.
Commissioner Olson’s motion
was seconded by Commissioner Campbell.
The Chair stated that all
those in favor of Commissioner Olson’s motion to seek clarification of the
parking enforcement to raise their hands.
The vote was unanimous (9-0).
ABC Committee
Commissioner Wright,
Committee Chair, read the Committee Report:
Levi’s Port Café
Levi’s Port Café located at
The Committee voted to not
oppose this stipulated license.
Ms. Marie Chavez was in
attendance representing Levi’s Port Café.
Commissioner Jarboe confirmed
with Ms. Chavez that she was taking over the old Port Café and he asked if she
was seeking to use the old license or was she applying for a new license. She responded that she was seeking a new
license. She is basically looking to
operate the business under the same operational requirements. However, at some later date we probably will
return with an application to modify her license.
The Chair stated that the
recommendation to not oppose the stipulated license comes before the Commission
as a motion not requiring a second. All
those in favor of the recommendation to not oppose the stipulated license
recommendation for Levi’s Port Café were asked to raise their hands. The vote was unanimous (9-0).
The Ugly Mug:
The Ugly Mug, located at
The Ugly Mug seeks ANC
support of a substantial change to their license which will include 1) the sale
of food and alcohol until 2:00 am on weekdays and 3:00 am on the weekends; 2)
allow recorded music at the restaurant Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays.
There have been concerns
raised by the residential tenants living above The Ugly Mug regarding the noise
level of the music coming from the establishment. The owner and his attorney indicated that
they had held a meeting on March 10, 2005, with the landlord and her legal
counsel to discuss the best means to cure the noise problems experienced by the
residential tenants. It was further
stated that an agreement had been reached by all parties involved regarding
specific corrective measures to be taken in addressing the abatement of noise
invading the upstairs residential tenant’s living space.
The Ugly Mug’s legal counsel,
Mr. Thomas W. Felder II, submitted to the Committee a letter dated April 6,
2005 regarding the above meeting in which the following points were made:
“First, we agreed that my clients would regulate the
noise levels in cooperation with the landlord and residential tenants. The sound levels are being regulated and we
have implemented sound tests allowing my clients can go upstairs into the
residential units and get a better understanding of the degree of sound that
travels to the upstairs units.
Second, my clients have consulted with a sound
technician and one of the residential tenants regarding soundboards and
adjusting the equalizers. The
adjustments to the equalizers and subwoofers have decreased the vibrations that
otherwise would affect the residential units.
Finally, my clients have agreed to build in 2
additional layers of acoustical tiling between the restaurant and the upstairs
units, for a total of 3 layers of acoustical tiling. The tiling was delivered to the restaurant on
April 3, 2005 and installed on April 5, 2005.
The landlord has been notified that we will be installing the tile. Once the tile is installed, my clients will
do some additional sound tests to make sure that the added tiles create a
reliable sound barrier.”
During the meeting Mr.
Jablonski stated that he had met with two (2) of the three (3) residential
tenants involved and had reached an agreement on allowing them (Ugly Mug) to
have access to their premises to inspect noise levels and also on the actions
they were undertaking to resolve the noise problem. It was pointed out that the two (2) tenants
represented the two (2) units above their establishment. It was further stated that their interaction
with the two (2) tenants involved have been very positive.
During the discussion Ugly
Mug stated that they want a DJ. The
Commissioners asked why having a DJ was not made clear on the placards or
application. The Ugly Mug attorney and owner
stated that having a DJ was implied under this application.
Some Commissioners expressed
concern that having a DJ could turn the restaurant/bar into a nightclub, which
ANC 6B has traditionally opposed due to crime, sales of narcotics and other
negative activities in nightclubs in DC.
In addition,
There were several patrons
and employees of the Ugly Mug who spoke in favor of the changes to the license.
Bill McLeod, Executive Director
of
The Committee expressed its
serious concerns regarding the use of a live DJ on premises. It was also pointed out that the Ugly Mug’s
placards did not indicate that live DJs would be part of their business. It was felt that the community must be fully
aware of a businesses plans so that they can properly evaluate any potential
negative or positive impact it will have on their quality of life. Therefore, the Committee instructed the Ugly
Mug to request an amendment to their license (placard) to indicate that live
DJs will be used. Their legal counsel
assured the Committee that he would make this happen immediately.
The owner of the Ugly Mug
stated that it is his desire to be a good neighbor in the community and was
willing to take the necessary actions to demonstrate he means business. He further stated that he was willing to sign
a Voluntary Agreement outlining the actions his establishment will take in
addressing the issues regarding noise and live DJ and other community concerns.
The ABC Committee therefore
recommends that: The ANC not oppose the extension of business hours on the
condition that the use of a live DJ be limited to Friday and Saturday nights
only, no more than twice a month and will end at midnight; and that the audio
volume is consistently monitored as to not negatively affect the upstairs
residential tenants; and the Ugly Mug must execute (sign) a Voluntary Agreement
that adheres as a minimum to the conditions outlined in Mr. Felder’s -- Counsel
to the Ugly Mug -- April 6, 2005 letter to the ANC regarding noise
abatement.
Commissioner Olson, provide
some new information regarding this application. Barracks
Barracks
In recent months, the Ugly Mug opened, and is now
hoping to extend its hours and have a live dj (CD or vinyl record)
regularly. The board of directors
believes that granting this would not enhance
Furthermore, the BRMS board is aware of some
discrepancies between the Ugly Mug’s ABC application and what was happening
within the establishment. Although some
of the issues have been resolved or are being worked on, the impression is not
the best.
We believe that
Being pro-business means actively managing how
The Chair asked if there was
any other new information.
A resident, Larry Harbin who
lives at
A resident, Robert Bannin
(could not hear last name properly), the Director of Champs stood and stated
that his organization works closely with
Chris Spiers, the resident who
has lived above the Ugly Mug in apartment II for five (5) years, asked the
members of the community and commission how many slept in their own beds the
prior night and how many planned to sleep in their own bed that night. He stated that he has not had the opportunity
to sleep in his own bed at night for the past 5 months in his own
apartment. He has had to sleep elsewhere
because of the music from the Ugly Mug.
He further stated that they have had conversations with the landlord and
the Ugly Mug and they have lowered the volume.
However, he said it was three (3) months after they opened before they
lowered the volume and it was four (4) months before they installed the
tiles. He further stated that he
appreciated the gesture, but they have been a longtime in coming and they have
not been effective. He stated that the
music is tolerable, but still after a long day of work he cannot go home and
relax which has and is causing him much stress and heartache and he is simply
tired of this situation.
He stated that he understands
that this is an issue between the landlord and the Ugly Mug, but he lived in
his space before the Ugly Mug moved into its space, and he does not feel that
it is his nor the other tenants responsibility to resolve the issue, and that
it was up to them to resolve the issue.
He also stated that he understands that it is not up to the ANC to
resolve the issue, but his only concern is their application for the extension
of hours and the DJ and he just wanted to let the Commission know that it is
still going on. He was of the opinion
that they are trying to be forced out of their homes.
Commissioner Olson asked what
other establishments on 8th Street are open until 3 a.m. on the
weekend. The response was that there
were several.
Commissioner Russell asked
how many other establishments on
Commissioner Campbell asked
Chris Spiers if it was unique in that they were the only residents who live
above a restaurant/bar. He responded
that to the best of his knowledge they were.
Commissioner Campbell and asked Mr. Spiers what was the different
between living above the Ugly Mug and living above the prior
restaurant/bar. His response was the
sound system. He also stated that the
prior restaurant had music, but it was never a problem.
The landlord, Ms. Catherine
Held, stated that it was true that there was another restaurant in the space
before the Ugly Mug and in fact there was another restaurant in that location
before that. However, she never had a
problem with noise before and she feels that the current situation is
unfortunate because she knows that Mr. Jablonski has worked very hard on his
place and she understands that it is very successful and people like to go
there. She stated that the problem is
that he occupies the building with the apartments above him and that was not
new news to him when he rented the space.
She further stated that prior to signing the lease she asked him if was
planning to have entertainment or a DJ and his response was that he was
not. She also stated that it has been
very difficult to pull together the people upstairs and there are other people
on the block that do not like the Ugly Mug being there.
Commissioner Cernich asked if
there were any businesses from the block present because he had also heard, as
she stated, that there were businesses on
Ms. Held stated that she
understands the Commission’s concerns.
She further stated that she has never before had any complaints about
any of her other restaurant tenants.
Commissioner Jarboe wanted to
focus on the noise issue. He asked the
Ugly Mug representative if they were using a DJ now. The response was that they are not using a
DJ, but they are using a jukebox.
Commissioner Jarboe followed up with by asking if the jukebox was the
source of the noise problem and the response was yes.
Mr. Felder, the Attorney for
the Ugly Mug, stated that he really appreciated Chris Spiers coming out and he
appreciates the concerns he had raised about the noise problem. Mr. Felder stated that any structural changes
to the building couldn’t be done unless they, Ugly Mug, get approval from the
landlord. He also stated that he is
aware that they have made some missteps up to this point regarding this
issue. However, since they first
appeared before the Commission in March they have done everything within their
power to try and mend any ill will between them and the tenants, landlord,
community, and the ANC and they have done it at substantial cost. April 5th was the first date they
were able to put the sound tiles in and they had a sound test shortly
thereafter. According to Mr. Felder the
sound test showed an improvement in the reduction of the noise entering the
tenant’s living space. He went on to say
that they are aware that this is not the final answer, but they were pleased
that they are making progress and moving in the right direction in solving or
reducing the problem. He further stated
that as long as the upstairs tenants were there they, the Ugly Mug, was willing
to do as much as they can to work to remove the noise problem so that they can
sleep in their space, but in the event it ever comes to a point that the
tenants elect to move, they have already put out the offer that they are
willing to try and be cooperative with that process and make it financially
feasible.
Commissioner Olson asked if
there was a way that a stopper could be installed to control the volume of the
music. This device is designed to allow
a preset sound ceiling to be established and to automatically restrict the
sound from going above that point. Mr.
Jablonski responded that the DJ is the person who would know how to do that,
but he’s not aware of what is involved.
However, he has asked his people to look into the stopper control
situation.
Commissioner Olson asked if
any of the Commissioners or community knew how the establishments in
Adam-Morgan handle this situation, because she is aware that some of their
establishments have residential tenants living above them. Mr. Felder stated that he had a couple of
clients who had residential tenants above their establishments, but they just
seem to accept the fact that they lived above a restaurant/bar, and to his
knowledge nothing official or mechanical was being done to control the noise levels.
The MPD Beat Officer stood
and stated that he has been dealing with the situation between the tenants and
the Ugly Mug from the beginning and can speak to the level of the noise coming
from the establishment. He stated that
the first time he went into Chris Spiers’ living space the noise was definitely
a problem to they point he definitely would not want to have to live in their
space. The bass on the music was
vibrating through the floor to the point that he could feel it through his
shoes and he could not imagine trying to sleep there. He went on to say that he went up stairs last
Thursday, and with the addition of the ceiling tiles and the subwoofers removed
from the wall has made the situation more tolerable. Is there a bar downstairs? The answer is yes.
Commissioner Russell pointed
out that the tenants in Adam-Morgan usually were moving into a space knowing
that a bar was beneath them. Whereas, in
this case the tenants were there first and it is the Ugly Mug that is moving
into their space. Thus the residential
tenant situations are very different.
Commissioner Jarboe asked the
Ugly Mug representatives if the only issue was the use of a DJ instead of
recorded music, what they would do differently if anything. Mr. Felder responded that with a DJ the
establishment will be in more control than if a patron coming in and goes to
the recorded music and selects music that has a lot of bass in it or some other
type of music that could have a negative effect on the tenant. The DJ would be more in control. He further stated that on Friday he will be
taking the amendment regarding the addition of a DJ to their liquor license and
will bring it back to the ANC as requested.
Commissioner Wright mentioned
that Mr. Jablonski had mentioned at the ABC Committee meeting that a customer could
come in late at night and put ten dollars or more in the Jukebox and play and
same crass song over and over again without any control by the
establishment. He responded that this
was true, because it is an Internet Jukebox and the establishment has no
control over what musical selections are chosen by their patrons. Additionally, he stated that he loses money
when he hires a DJ because he gets $.50 of every $1.00 that goes into the
Jukebox, whereas he has to pay $75.00 a night when he has a DJ playing
songs. So in the end he will lose money
having a DJ, but in the end he will have more control by having a DJ.
Commissioner Glick restated
that the sound (noise) issue is a landlord/tenant issue. His issue was with the ABC Committee Report
regarding a DJ. His concern was that the
establishment or subsequent ownership, could rent out the space to a Club
Promoter who would come in and have dancing and a DJ, thus becoming a full fledge
Club operating until 3 in the morning on the weekend. Therefore in the Voluntary Agreement he would
like to that this issue is properly addressed, and the Commissioners stated
that they understood his concerns.
Commissioner Jarboe stated
after much discussion about the potential of a Club Promoter coming in and
leasing out the space, that the real concern is trying to make sure that future
ownership does not have to ability to do this.
He referenced the Heart and Soul establishment that was in the community
and the fact that they were great neighbors at the beginning, but after the
establishment changed hands it became a real neighborhood problem and they do
not want the same thing to happen with the Ugly Mug.
Commissioner Olson asked Mr.
Jablonski if he would be willing to limit the use of a DJ to twice a month and
cited several establishments where such agreements are part of their Voluntary
Agreement. Mr. Jablonski responded that
his only request would that if there was a request for a private party that
specially requested a DJ on Friday or Saturday night and it would mean that it
would be the 3rd night of the weekend that he be allowed to do so if
the provided the Commission with a notice of the request.
Commissioner Campbell asked
for a clarification on the issue of the number of days versus weekends. He specifically asked if the intent was to
limit the use of a DJ to two (2) nights a month or 2 weekends per month. Commissioner Cernich stated that the intent
was to limit it to 2 nights per month, period that was the Committee’s recommendation.
Mr. Jablonski stated that if
the offer is to have a DJ only two (2) nights per month, then it was not worth
it for him to have one because it would turn out to be more of a hindrance to
his business. He was of the opinion that
the discussion was about having a DJ two (2) weekends a month along with the
potential of having private parties with a DJ.
Mr. Jablonski stated that his
number one concern was getting the extension of his operating hours. He stated he was willing to table the discussion
regarding a DJ until he goes down and re-placards his application in May to
include a DJ.
Commissioner Campbell asked
the upstairs tenants what his feelings were about extending the hours and
coming back later to discuss the issue of the DJ. His response was in the form of a
question. Was the ANC dealing with the
noise issue or not?
Commissioner Cernich stated
that it is part of the discussion, but he was not exactly sure where the
Commission was going on it. He
personally believes that it is a landlord/tenant issue. The Ugly Mug’s comment was made that they
were working on the equalization issue of controlling the bass in the music to
control the vibrations in the floors.
Commissioner Jarboe asked
that since they are working on controlling the bass, if the noise issue was
tabled until next month did he (Gaynor) feel that they would be in a better
position to discuss the results of their efforts at the next meeting. His response was that he could not promise anything,
but he felt that if they could control the equalizer and bass problem they
would be close to addressing the issue.
Commissioner Wright made a
Friendly-Amendment the ABC Committee recommends that the Commission support the
extension of the business hours as to not negatively affect the upstairs
residential tenants; and the Ugly Mug must execute (sign) a Voluntary Agreement
that adheres, as a minimum, to the conditions outlined in Mr. Felder’s April 6,
2005 letter to the ANC regarding noise abatement.
Commissioner Jarboe added that
it would be with the understanding that the DJ issue would be put off until
next month.
The Amendment was seconded by
Commissioner Campbell. The vote was
8-1-0 to approve the Amendment.
Commissioner Olson made a
Friendly-Amendment on the language of Commissioner Wright’s Amendment, which
was “ABC Committee recommends that the ANC not oppose the extension of the
business hours on the condition that the audio volume is consistently monitored
as to not negatively affect the upstairs tenants” be added to the clarify the
language. Commissioner Russell seconded
the motion. The Amendment now reads “ABC
Committee recommends that the ANC not oppose the extension of the business hours
on the condition that the audio volume is consistently monitored as to not negatively
affect the upstairs tenants; and the Ugly Mug must execute (sign) a Voluntary
Agreement that adheres, as a minimum, to the conditions outlined in Mr.
Felder’s April 6, 2005 letter to the ANC regarding noise abatement.” The vote on the amendment was unanimous (9 to
0) in favor of the amendment.
Commissioner Jarboe wanted to
add language that it is conditional upon the continuation of 1 month by the ABC
Board the issue of the application of a live DJ. This basically states that they will go in jointly
to apply for the DJ.
Mr. Felder stated that he
would like to see the word reasonable be added to not negatively affect, so
that it would read, “reasonably not negatively affect”.
Commissioner Jarboe’s
amendment was seconded by Commissioner Olson.
The vote was on the amendment without Mr. Felder’s wording. The vote to approve the amendment was 8-0-1,
with one abstention.
The Chair stated that the
Committee Report is coming before the Commission as a recommendation from the
Committee and requires no second, therefore all in favor of the Committee
Report as Amended to raise their hands.
The vote was unanimous (9 to 0).
Committee reports and announcements
Commissioner Olson reported
that she is behind in finalizing the ANC’s website and she can’t give a
specific date as to when it will be completed.
Commissioner Jarboe stated
that he has provided each Commissioner with a copy of the Financial Report and
they will notice that the Commission has received its standard allotment and
has standard salaries, telephones
services for a couple of months, and finally the ANC Security Deposit. There were no questions. Commissioner Jarboe made a motion and
Commissioner Wright seconded, to accept the 3rd Quarter Financial
Report as given. The vote was unanimous
(9 to 0).
Adjournment
There was not further
business and Commissioner Cernich made the motion that the meeting be adjourned
until its next meeting date of May 10, 2005.
The motion was seconded, and the vote was 9 to 0.
Meeting Adjourned.
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